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32586 The first wave
32587 chips of the first creation by man
Bible, Torah, Quran
32589 The US/UK want to rule the world.
O, what a nasty web we weave
32590 Ignored by Israel, US/UK.
Thou shall not kill
32592 from which angle you look at it
It is a creators story
32596 Lemuria
No: 3
32599 and moraly corrupt, NATO
USA led
32606 web we weave in Belarus
What a terrible
32608 in a changing world
32610 The scientists
The bible according to
32611 USA army extention
NATO the
32614 Free speech
We have a God given
32615 Into the light.
From the darkness
32616 Evolution
Creation or
32617 for Christ
All for the love
32618 or just a little bounce
Big Bang
32618 The return
Davids Message
32619 to be learned
A lessen
32620 The rule of Thump
Billions of death or,
32621 the wind blows
The lord
32622 suffering at the hand of God
All those who do not believe
32623 In the beginning
32624 Judiasm
The three branches
32625 re-told
An Old story
32626 A humanist
John Calvin
32627 and blamed on others.
Gods beginning. How to tell a story
32628 The foundation of
32629 Ulrich Zwingly
The history of
32630 The Messiah
32631 What have we learne from
32632 non-belief
The atracted alternative
32633 a curious event
32634 The real view.
32635 But are they?
Remember the laws of God
32636 God
We do acknowledge
32637 Adam the first man
The Hebrew creation
32638 Even as a humble Christian
U are needed.
32639 warning
A danger
32640 Only the smell of Greed, power and Control count.
For the West
32641 the prophets
32642 an atrachted alternative
32643 Jewish people
A invention
Was there really?
32645 in endless fear
Looking at it
32646 Ararat
A mountain to climb
32647 A reality?
A floating child
32648 Gods beginning
A new beginning
32649 a holy wonder
32650 your own windows
When you throw in,
32651 Atheists the religion
A clear view on,
32652 on a planet full of water
Not a drop to drink
32653 Christians
When Christians stand against
32654 John Calvin
A view at
32655 not answered
The questions
32657 on the warpath. no1
32658 war path. no2
America again on the
32659 of the Final words
The first
32660 Christianity
The basics of fear
32661 a gods creation
32662 entslaving countries
A real American game
32663 or maybe in another million of years
The end is near
32664 the fears of Christianity
The final word
32665 Be good of cheers
A ship sailed
32666 a good spirit
Gods fear
32667 A good home
For a child
32668 The holy word
A close view
32669 Supernational
Viewing the
32670 religions
The Abrahamic
32671 the Abrahamic religions
Gay and
32672 Where they or.......
The fallen angels
32676 The UN abolished
Israel on the war path wants......
32768 of torture
The pleasure

32653 Christians

The gay/anti gay discussion is rising fast, fuelled by not the Gays societies by web sites who say the promote Christianities by pronouncing that they know it all better then God. Some even saying that the Christians should ignore the Old testament as that is just purely the Israeli history and has no place in the Christian testimonies. Those are just money making sites who damaging Christianity as a whole. If we ignore the Old Testament then we also have to ignore the creation, God as the Father and Jesus as His Son. The why is a part of the onslaught of Christian sites to promote homosexuality as the new Christian version to find an excuse to attract the homosexual community and find excuses for promotion of homosexuality, the gay marriages in a Christian Church even the appointment of Christian elders in the Church, even to appoint pastors to lead the congregations?

While we are not against homosexuality in general as God has given us the free will to live the way we want, there is a different when it comes by using others belief in Christ for their own benefit. Getting married as gay’s in a church is not a act of getting married it is an act to see how far the desperation of the church will go to allow it, as the bible in the new testament says at 12 different points it is wrong. Wanting to appoint a Church pastor who is gay is an abomination as God rather clearly states that they have to be impeccable and by being gay in the bible that is classified as sin and for that reason they do not qualify. Still it is sometime horrid, sometime funny to see how churches like snakes are turning and twisting to create the words in the bible to suit them. It actual means maybe without them realising it, they are not Christians but people who use Christ for their own or for the churches benefit and that is not for the benefit of God.

While some do not believe that homosexual sex is even mentioned or described in Scripture, others freely admit that it is mentioned and was a capital crime under Moses, and strongly condemned by the Apostle Paul as being worthy of death. But among the latter it is argued that neither of these condemnations in the Old or the New Testaments applies to homosexual Believers in Christ. That is a twist we will examine carefully, as most have probably never heard of such a defence. It is not to single out or come down upon homosexuals they have the same right to live their life’s an s we do. More and more, the media, entertainment, the government, the Church, the general population of the Western world, no longer believes it is a sin to be discriminated against, and so it is not, personal I cannot see why we should be judging others on how they want to live their life. That is something between them and their conscious as it is for all of us. So, my purpose here is not to judge or ask people to judge, but to specifically establish whether homosexuality is a sin or not a sin for Believers of Jesus Christ.

If it is not a sin, and these practices are normal and virtuous, then we should not be speaking negative about them. But if it is a sin, then we should certainly speak out against it just as we should against adultery, idolatry, lying, stealing, etc. if they are part of a Christian church and want to use the Church services for themselves. Let's try and look at the Scriptural facts with unbiased, open minds. If we are interested in obedience to Jesus Christ then we should be eager to know the truth one way or the other. Most homosexuals do not argue with Lev. 20:13:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Many will say it state when a man lies with a man and a woman with a woman it does not say gay or homosexuality which is rather logic as that words are only invented a hundred years ago or so. They concede that this verse is speaking actual of homosexuality a sexual encounter between members of the same gender. Their argument is that it no longer applies to them as Believers in Jesus Christ, stating that they are no longer under the Law of Moses. However, regarding this the words in the New Testament are rather clear as well if we see one of the twelve mentioned in the New Testament, special Romans 1:18/32 who spells it out clearly. It is true the Ten Commandments do not spell out “homosexuality” however it does not spell out, nor did Jesus, child-molestation either; neither is it one of the Ten Commandments. Neither did Jesus address drug abuse, nor pornography, smoking, spousal abuse, or torture. Do we therefore have to assume that God therefore was condoning such sins and atrocities? Are we to assume therefore that none of these are wrong or sinful?

In our societies we have laws that say having sexual intercourse with an animal carries an prison sentence even in some countries the death sentence for both men and women as it was in the old says of the Old Testament see Leviticus, 20:15-16). Who among us would dare to suggest to their children that having sex with farm yard animals is now okay since it is not condemned in the New Testament by Jesus, In the Old Testament we find the condemnation in number ten of the Ten Commandments saying; Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. When you still cannot see the light, try a little common sense and basic morality.

Most Gay people who say they are Christians, say there is nowhere in the Bible said that homosexuality is wrong, however that is wrong, they used different words but the indication is the same. But the New Testament from Matthew, Mark to Revelations, is said many time indicated many times pointed to many times, that same-gender sex is wrong. The word Homosexual was not mentioned as it did not exist, in the NT when it was written. However Roman 1 explains it so clearly, “No same-gender sex”, it cannot be clearer. However the Homosexuality community insist that we have to read it different, so let us spell it out for those who have a view of their own. No not from the conveniently adapted new versions of the NT so popular special in the US and the UK, adapted to the wishes and the taste of the public it is intended for, not from the KJV adapted in the English language with it many adoption’s left outs and adding’s for the convenience of the British Church in that time, not from the NRSV (1989) no we using an old (1572) bible. That is before the race to create so many changes as possible to adapting to their wished.

So let us have a look at Roman 1:18/32 The anger of God is being revealed from heaven against all the impiety and depravity of men who keep truth imprisoned in their wickedness. For what can be known about God is perfectly plain to them since God himself has made it plain. Ever since God created the world his everlasting power a deity-however invisible- have been there for the mind to see in the things he has made. That is why such people are without excuse: they knew God and yet refused to honour him as God or to thank him; instead, they made nonsense out of logic and their empty minds were darkened. The more they called themselves philosophers (theology’s), the more stupid they grew, until they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for a worthless imitation, for the image of mortal man, of birds, of quadrupeds and reptiles. That is why God left them to their filthy enjoyments and the practises with which they dishonour their own bodies, since they have given up divine truth for a lie and have worshipped and served creatures instead of the creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen! That is why God has abandoned them to degrading passions: why their woman have turned from natural intercourse to unnatural practises and why their menfolk have given up natural intercourse to be consumed with passion for each other, man doing shameless things with men and getting an appropriate reward for their perversion. In other words, since they refused to see it was rational to acknowledge God, God has left them to their own irrational ideas and to their monstrous behaviour. And so they are steeped in all sorts of depravity, rottenness, greed and malice, and addicted to envy, murder, wrangling, treachery and spite. They know what God’s verdict is: that those who behave like this deserve to die, and they do it; and what is worse, encourage others to do the same. 
Roman 2:1 So no matter who you are, if you pass judgment you have no excuse. In judging other you condemn yourself, since you behave no differently from those you judge.

It is then suggested that since homosexuality was a part of the things forbidden under the law as received by Moses, but some Christian believers are saying that the Old Testament is not relevant for Christians and therefore the Commands of Moses are not for them to adhere too. However it cannot be ignored Paul in Romans 1/26/27 is speaking of same gender sex, so it put those Old Testament ignorant a bit in a pickle. They have found following they say that Paul is not condemning homosexuals sex, but rather they state that Paul is condemning homosexual sex between heterosexual. However, as there has to be an however, is that not the same as saying there is nothing wrong with druggies to take drugs but that it is wrong for non drug takers to be using drugs.

Some new age churches who have created an alternate view of the Words and the Law of God have now found out that all those who sin regardless will go to heaven as God has forgiven all sins, What those Churches and organisations who call themselves Christians but are in effect sin worshippers say is, you can Kill, you can Steal, you can take your Neighbours goods, you can lay as man with a man and as woman with a woman, you can Lie, actual you can do any crime under the Sun as God has already forgiven your sin. There are web sides that actual spell out how to break the Words and the Law’s of God, the Bible Reference Site and others are being one of them. There are 12 well know passages in the New Testament who clearly indicate what is right and what is wrong. However, many newer versions of the bibles special created to find excuses have left out many original sins as indicated by God and replaced it with new versions and passages to accommodate their wishes and opinions and simpler put God to other level far away, telling God that was then now we are telling how it should be, we know it better now God, so we do it our way.

Their excuse is the Bible was written in the Olden days and life was different then, actual there are no God anymore just some words and history and that there is only Christ and that someone just wrote a story based on the habits of that time. What they saying is like a movie director with a script, which he then completely changes to suit his view of the story. In effect that is what those kinds of wed sides say they promoting; Christianity, and under the most fancied of names  and are actual persuading people to see it their way of, do what you want, whatever you want how you want it, as God has already given you free entrance to Heaven by having forgiven all your sins. A simple clear case of wishful thinking and making lots of money out of it.

They actual are saying you can do what you like, you don’t have to go to church as you will go to heaven anyway, you do not have to belief, as you will go to heaven anyway, you do not have to be a Christian as you go to heaven in any case, you can be a devil worshipper as your sins are already forgiven and the Heaven is waiting for you. They even say being gay is good as Christian perhaps God has some special mission in mind for that person that is best accomplished outside the restrictions imposed by traditional marriage and family duties. Regardless they say, of how we interpret the Bible's teachings about homosexual acts, it is important to note that the Bible does not condemn people for having homosexual tendencies. It is certain actions that are prohibited by Bible teachings, not tendencies or feelings. This is about the same as saying it is OK to have the feeling wanting to murder someone or even a whole group, it is OK to have discriminating feeling against some people because of colour/race or religion. After all it is just a feeling.

Such web sides even promote gay clergy as God does do not object against gays. Although the bible is rather clear as in as an example in 1 Timothy 3:2 clear states that; that is why a presiding elder must have an impeccable character. Roman 1:18/32 seems to us clear enough that God does object to gays in such positions. Those web sites’ using the God has forgiven all sins to promote those gays in an Elders position. In short for them the Word and the Laws of God are just tools to make money by using God’s name in vain. Man can wonder if they even have abolished the last Judgment day as such a day in their opinion is not needed anymore as all sins are already forgiven so judgment day is not needed as on that day we all are free of sin and therefore enter Heaven free of sin.

In their opinion the mention of Satan, of a Devil is not appropriate any more as they is no sin, in their opinion even if there was sin the Devil or Satan would have no use as on the moment we do such a sin, killing someone for example, is not a sin anymore as God has already forgiven that sin. That makes the Satan/Devil void. However why praying as we can do all the wrong we want knowing that it is forgiven at the moment we are doing it, come to that why believing? Our society has a legitimate right and duty to take legal action against those sexual offenders, who use coercion or who prey on children or others. That means the society sees it as a sin against action need to be taken. However, in those web sites creators mind the sin is already forgiven by God and this means that by taken action against those predators we placing ourselves above God, as we see it as a sin while those web sites say that this sin is already forgiven so that the person against who action is taken get punished for something that is already eradicate by God in their version of opinion. Men can ask why those Christian web sites who promoting this are so set on having sin eliminated instantly, clearing their conscious maybe?

If we then see how they changed to text in the bible to suit their view then we can understand that so many Christians are only Christians in name but not in action anymore as they are confused by the alterations. Let us see Romans 1:24/25;
In the 450 year old version it states:  That is why God left them to their filthy enjoyments and the practises which they dishonour their bodies, since they have given up divine truth for a lie and have worshipped and served creators instead of the creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen!
In the New Revised Standard version 1989 we read:  Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.

The different are easy to spot the filthy enjoyments are now; the lust of their hearts. It will be obvious that a filthy enjoyment is so much more worst then the lust of their hearts.

The practises which they dishonour their bodies, is now just a degrading action between them.

They have given up divine truth for a lie, translated now in: they exchanged the truth about God for a lie.

And this is only a simple alteration, there are parts that are still in one bible but gone in the other, there are also added parts never been found before.

Ignoring the Word and the Laws f God under self created ignorance to write right what is actual wrong is a sin in itself, it also shows of an incredible arrogance to pretend that they know it better then God, and then they wonder why Christianity is declining so fast, while they taking their money and enriching themselves over the peoples confusion and that is a sin. They can say to themselves God has forgiven all sins but it is a safe bet that God at the end of fays will see that different, I hope for their sake that they are fire resistant.


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